Is Male Masturbation Disrespectful of Women?

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    I'm of the opinion that looking at photos of women, be it a lingerie or swimsuit ad, the Victoria's Secret show on tv, or even online porn, while masturbating is extremely disrespectful of women. Even masturbating to the thought of a woman you saw down the street or at work is disrespectful. It's not only disrespectful of the man's significant other, but it is also disrespectful of women in general.

    Women have a right to wear whatever they want and look as sexy as they desire and irregardless of how frequently a man has sex, none of that gives him an excuse to objectify a woman and turn her into some tool for getting off. The feelings of sexual attraction and desire that the typical man feels are intended to facilitate his interactions with the opposite sex and so when a he diminishes those desires through masturbation, it causes him to take women for granted, which results in even further disrespect of women.

    I used to think of women as sex objects, something for me to get off on. I had trouble respecting them because in my mind, the mere thought of a woman was sexual in nature and intended to gratify my lust. When I was recently forced to refrain from masturbating and given my very young age and the fact that my wife only wanted sex twice a month, I expected that my increased arrousal to cause me to be even more disrespectful of woman in this manner, but surprisingly the exact opposite occurred. When forced to either speak to or view a beautiful woman dressed very sexy, either in person or in the media, and after weeks of chastity, I now find myself admiring the woman's beauty, sex appeal, and even her choice in fashion and what she must be like as a person (intelligent, kind, funny...). Yes, I am now so much more affectionate and caring towards my wife, but I now find myself speaking ever so politely to and about every woman I see and treating them with the utmost respect. I find myself doing this despite the fact that I'm not usually submissive in my day to day interactions with women.

    Instead of now seeing a woman in a lingerie ad and treating her image as a potential masturbation aid, I simply admire her beauty and remind myself that she's someone's wife, sister, daughter who would likely be disgusted at the thought of some man masturbating to her image and that she does not deserve that kind of treatment. It's almost as if because I know that masturbation is no longer an option and it's something my wife greatly disapproves of, I'm forced to look beyond a woman's appearance or clothing, no matter how she's dressed and how sexually aroused I am. No longer is it a woman's responsibility to dress in a way that doesn't arouse me, rather, it's my responsibility to control my urges and treat her with respect. I think our global society in general is slowly moving towards that mindset and will allow for the existence of a much more conducive place for women to succeed and lead in all aspects of society.

    What are your thoughts on this?
     
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    My thoughts
    • Masturbation is completely normal.
    • Some men are unable to tell the difference between the fiction of porn and the reality of real life.
    • Most men are able to tell the difference.
    • Women are sex objects
    • so are men
    • That doesn't mean you have to have sex with them or they have to put up with inappropriate sexual contact
    • What goes on in your own head is just that. Fantasy is fantasy, it is not disrespectful.
    • I have chosen to control my urges so that I can make sex more special when it happens, and to really respect my Mistress Wife in a much more profound way than I was before.
    • My wife had absolutely no issue with me masturbating, she used to help me sometimes. She was surprised when I told her what I wanted to do regarding chastity.
     
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    My wife thinks the act of me ejaculating to the thought or image of another woman is disrespectful to her, to the woman I'm imagining or viewing while doing it, and to women in general, which I agree with. I find that my view and treatment of women completely changes for the better when I'm not allowed to masturbate to them.
     
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    I agree. My Mistress had no problem with my masturbation. But now that I have been locked up for most of the last 6 plus years, I find I rarely have the urge to when unlocked I only desire my Mistress and the closeness we have.
     
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    With ALL respect to others opinions above, I agree. Men are missing the best parts of women when they focus entirely on physical appearance vs. the many complicated ideas and feelings and capabilities of a modern woman that would doubtless leave us even more enthralled if we but took the time to learn. Obviously masturbating to images of women is the least valuable (and most damaging) of all (to both women and men). And this would of course be especially disrespectful if one is in a relationship and still persists in this behaviour. In fact, I think masturbation in general is an unhealthy waste of that wonderful male energy we could be saving for the women in our lives. My only exception would be in the case of a woman who preferred to see a man masturbate rather than engage intercourse or oral sex. Touching oneself to obey such a request from the woman in your life can be a very intense and intimate and loving experience whether she chooses to have him ejaculate or not.
     
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    Your choice of not masturbating, and not fantasizing about other women, is your choice and yours alone.
    Whether it comes from you, or is imposed to you by your mistress doesn't really make a difference.
    No one should tell you it is wrong if it feels right for you.

    And you should do the same in return: Not tell other people that they are disrespectful because they fantasize about other women and occasionally masturbate to such fantasies.

    In the end, sex is very natural. Fantasizing is very natural. Masturbation is very natural.
    People would be happier and less conflicted, if they could live according to how they were designed to be.
    Sexual shame in general is very destructive, in so many ways...

    If people wish to restrict their sexuality in some ways, like we do with chastity, it is very fine.
    But we should not impose our limits on any body else.

    The only limit to sex should be clear none coercive consent.
     
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    certainly - and I did say with all respect to others opinions - I apologize if I was too disapproving
     
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    Seems like you are imposing your views as well. I highly doubt any mistress would be okay with a man that masturbates without permission and worse yet, to other women during the process. My opinion is that men in chastity are more respectful of women when they aren't allowed to relieve their desire through masturbation, it makes them appreciate women more. That's my opinion and was wondering what others thought. Why can't we share our views without being criticized for them?
     
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    I find it interesting that this is the first time a subject that I am reading on the Chastity Mansion is causing friction.

    The history of chastity devices as I understand it comes from a time where masturbating, particularly at night, was seen as evil. People grew up believing touching themselves 'down there' was wrong, dirty, shameful. That fuckwit Kellog and the like have a lot to answer for.

    Masturbating relieves sexual tension, especially in younger people. My sex drive was much higher than my Wife's. Would it not have been way more disrespectful to demand we have more sex? As an older male who takes longer to reload then yes, if my masturbating stopped me pleasuring my wife then that would indeed be disrespectful.

    On a personal note when I have in the past used porn I have never been fantasizing about me being the male, rather my wife being the female in the scenes. This might not be usual, I have no idea. All I know is that body types similar to my wife are what I sought. My Mistress Wife knows this and has no problem with it. Now I have voluntarily stopped masturbating and she has accepted this new lifestyle I doubt I will ever masturbate to porn again unless she tells me I have to. My Mistress Wife expects me not to masturbate not because it is disrespectful to other women but because I promised that I wouldn't.

    Finally can I ask what was I supposed to do all the times my wife spent periods of three or six months away from our home? Our lifestyle and her career has meant that we finally moved in with each other permanently at the end of October this year, after 25 years. On more than one occasion we have spent over a year apart except for when one of us took holiday as we lived in different countries. Look up what happened August 2 1990 if you need to understand why. I respect my Mistress Wife immensely which is a major factor in why our marriage survived.
     
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    Well, I didn't mean to offend you.
    You are interested in what other think, and they might think like you, or not.
    Personally, I strongly disagree with your original post.

    I understand that before being in chastity, you felt you were not respecting women.
    That you were viewing them as mere sex objects to satisfy your lust, and I am sure other men do.
    And I am glad chastity brought you balance and that you feel good in that new dynamic

    Now not all men are like you.
    Many of them can fantasize about woman and masturbate thinking about them.
    Yet they will not disrespect them think about them as sex object or take them as granted.
     
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    If that was at me @Metalman i am not in any way offended, believe me. I love the opportunity to have these discussions, it really helps me understand myself more. If not then no worries :)
     
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    No I was answering @ChasteHubby2015
     
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    I thought so @Metalman I just wanted to make sure :D
     
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    Thanks gentleman for the engaging conversation.
     
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    Why the one-dimensional thinking? Why can't a person be thought of as a sex object and a complete person in their own right? Do you not think of your wife or Mistress as someone's daughter or mother or sister, etc. as well as someone who inspires lust in you? I can look at porn and wonder about the person behind the body or the sex act being performed, and yet still masturbate over it (at least, when I was unlocked). Men are wired to perceive women sexually, and I don't apologize for how I evolved. And at the same time I also evolved to have reason, and to use that to understand there is more to a woman than her external appearance. Denying my own bodily urges is as pointless as ignoring the efforts someone may have gone to in order to impress me with their appearance. If your wife/gf/KH wears sexy clothing, is it 'disrespectful' to respond to that?

    To put it another way, if your wife/gf/whatever is a great cook, is it wrong for you to want to go to McDonalds sometimes? Going to your next-door neighbor's house for dinner is disrespectful, but denying your biology is usually setting yourself up for a fall.
     
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    When I say that masturbation is disrespectful of women, I'm not saying that it's an evil or sinful act. What I'm saying is that it's okay to be turned on by a beautiful woman wearing a very sexy article of clothing in a magazine ad, etc, but that we as men should refrain from masturbating to her image out of respect to her because a) we don't know if that woman would approve of what we're doing (many don't and have a right to demand you not use their image for something that it wasn't intended for) b) we don't know if our wives, mistresses, etc would approve of it (for those not locked up in a device), as many wives, mistresses, etc greatly dislike the idea of their men ejaculating to other women c) it diminishes our sexual desire for our wives, mistresses, etc and results in us becoming lazy in the romance dept and not giving them all that we could be giving d) our view and treatment of women in society improves greatly when we're not sexually satisfied (at least that's been my personal experience and observation of others in chastity).

    The way I see it is that our chastity should not only help lead us to be more respectful of and obedient to our wives or mistresses, but also of women in general.
     
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    I think males who stay in chastity (as opposed to those who don't get it or don't want to stay locked) already have a better appreciation of women in general. But to your point a), I would say that you don't have any idea what a person in an image is thinking, and therefore policing your own thinking is absurd. I may harbour all kinds of dark or even evil thoughts, but if I don't act upon them and conform to general accepted norms in society, what I think is entirely up to me. I cannot agree with any suggestion of self-censorship in my own mind.
     
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    As long as you have your mistress' approval, I'm more inclined to accept masturbating to a thought, it's the use of porn or worse yet a woman's image that was not intended for that is what I have a problem with because a) porn is highly unlikely to be looked kindly upon by our wives, mistresses, etc (curtailing their man's porn viewing is one of the reasons many women begin to find chastity appealing) b) I don't think we have the right to take a lingerie ad for example and masturbate to the models image not knowing whether she would approve of what we're doing with her image, I personally know many women who find the idea of a man using their image for that to be highly offensive and I think they are entitled to decide how their images get used. That is the respect that I am referring to.
     
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    It's not the lustful thoughts that you get when you see a picture of a beautiful woman wearing something sexy that I was referring to, it's acting upon those thoughts by masturbating to the image. It's one thing to look, admire, and fantasize, it's a whole other story when you masturbate to her image.
     
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    Depends on the response, if your wife or girlfriend wears something sexy then responding by masturbating without her approval and blaming it on her choice of clothing is entirely inappropriate and disrespectful.
     
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    how can you have a spurty when you locked up anyway. i cant. Ladies are lovely.
     
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    No. That's entirely presupposition on your part as to what the subject of an image is thinking, and you could be completely wrong. At any rate, they do not have the right to deny you usage of their image for purposes of masturbation. There are certainly legal restrictions on what you can do with an image in a commercial sense, but no court in the world would ever rule that you can't jerk off in private to any image. That's just ludicrous. You can make that decision for yourself, and maybe your wife/Mistress/gf can deny you masturbating generally. But a woman in a lingerie ad does not have the right to say you can't crack one off to her picture.
     
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    Just a word on rights. Generally there are no rights, only privileges.

    If you are lucky enough to have a privilege enshrined into law THEN it could be considered a right. Unless the law changes of course, or you become poorer, or move to a different country, or for some unexplained reason wake up to find yourself a woman or black.
     
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    I was just speaking from an ethical perspective, it's her body in that image and so I believe I owe it to her to refrain from using her picture in a manner that might displease her and certainly displease my wife. Sure, you legally don't have to refrain from staring at and making cat calls at a woman wearing a short skirt, but you refrain from doing so out of an ethical respect to her. That was the point I intended to make, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.
     
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    not sure where you're going with this when you mentioned being a woman or black, but I don't like where I think it's headed. I certainly hope you're not one of those men who holds prejudice and disrespectful views of women and regards chastity as merely a manipulative game played with a weak minded keyholder to fulfill your fantasy.
     
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