Star Wars Ep VIII The Last Jedi SPOILERS

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Ok does anyone else agree with me that that was truly an astoundingly awesome movie?!

Once again THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. I created this thread to discuss what we all thought about the movie. STOP READING IF YOU HAVENT SEEN IT!

Anyway, a few thoughts.

1. This was the most surprising Star Wars yet. The lines have been blurred between good and bad, light and dark. For example previous episodes would have had Poe Damoran as a squeaky clean (if benevolently roguish) however in this episode he’s much more complex and I think he needed taking down a peg or two which he was. This allowed him to mature enough to take over the Resistance Fleet.

2. Kylo and Rey. The lines are blurred again. There are flashes/teases of both turning. Kylo refuses to pull the trigger to blow up Leia. There is still conflict in him. In a mirror image Rey too has a darkness that terrifies Luke.

3. Oh my God Luke. In many ways his arc is a microcosm of the whole trilogy so far. There is enough nostalgia and harking back to the original trilogy but it doesn’t feel forced; it’s tasteful and takes unexpected turns. For example on the hideaway Jedi planet his X Wing is submerged in the sea. Was he going to show Rey he could lift it like Yoda showed him in Empire Strikes Back? No! But there was a colossal pay-off at the end when Rey lifted the rocks to let the Resistance escape the base in which they were cornered. I loved that moment.

4. This was such a brave departure from the formula at the same time as drawing from its traditions. Just enough of the old was in this and the fate of the galaxy is firmly in the next generation. Director Rian Johnson has done an amazing job investing us in the new characters such as Rey, Kylo, Damoran and Finn. Luke’s absolutely awesome trick of Force Projection (is that a thing now?) at the end was a tremendous sacrifice of effort from him and whilst it was extremely, extremely cool did JUST ENOUGH to allow the Resistance to escape. It’s up to them now.

5. The LIGHTSPEED KAMIKAZE MOMENT. My jaw quite literally dropped. It was spectacular, bold, stunning, amazing, unique and breathtaking. I don’t know how they’ll top this. Even though I believe it should have been Admiral Akbar to do it rather than the annoying and unnecessary Vice Admiral Holdo this was still my favourite moment of the movie.

I’m still on a high and will need to see it at least another couple of time. Right now though I think this might actually be my favourite instalment. What did you guys think?
 
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It thought it was an impressive film, however slightly underwhelming on first viewing. I will definitely see it again in the hope it grows on me.
I think Snoke is the biggest disappointment in cinematic history. But other than that I thought it was just fine.
Could have been better, most definitely could have been worse.
 
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good movie. funnier than I expected. Kinda upset we didnt get any back story on stoke. Whats up with that?
 
I saw it last night and was underwhelmed. It was "OK" but I lacked the pumped feeling that comes from watching a really good movie. The Snoke character seemed cartoonish and his whole chamber reminded me of something from the original Star Trek. I think it lacked character development as I just didn't connect to any of the characters and just wouldn't have hurt my feelings if any of them died.
 
Just saw it last night @verne and I have been a huge Star Wars fan my whole life. I came out of the movie theater vaguely disappointed, however I distinctly remember feeling the same way the first time I saw Empire Strikes Back which in retrospect is either the best or second best of all the movies. I still say the original is the best, but that's because it started it all. At any rate I digress.

I'm not sure if my disappointment is because the movie is intended to give you that feeling. Like I was genuinely angry in Empie that Darth Vader could be Luke's father. No! That's not true! That's impossible! I remember being really mad, why would they screw up Star Wars with all this drama? So maybe with time I'll come to see Last Jedi this way too?

I have this lingering doubt though that my disappointment was more of a response to perceived hokiness than anything else. The whole slow motion chase through space concept was in my opinion really bogus. Really? The empire can't make ships fast enough to catch them? They did in the first Star Wars Or just launch enough fighters to blow them up? I mean they have weapons that can blow up planets, but their harmless against the shield on the cruiser? Also people seem to be able to leave the ship, travel at light speed to another planet and come back. Why not just send them to get some fuel?

Also none of the remaining or new characters have the charisma or screen presence of Han Solo. I think one of the reasons Force Awakens was so good was he played such a big role in it. And a final critique I think they just tried to cover too much ground and didn't do enough justice to any of the story lines.

There was a lot I liked about the movie and it certainly wasn't a piece of garbage like episodes I and II (f***ing Jarjar). I'm also glad Disney has control of it now as I'm sure we'll see a lot more side and back stories like Rogue One. I'm hopeful with time I'll look past the surface stuff that bugged me and see more of the great story you saw as I did with Empire. In the meantime though I would say a step backwards from Force Awakens.
 
Ok snoke (awful name), seems like a grizzled veteran of the dark side, where exactly was he when Vader was tossing the emperor down the shaft. Who is he? How did he get so powerful? He was in the middle of stating how he knew of everything in kylos mind yet didn’t see him force the saber?

Kylo. Ok someone finally told him wearing a breathing mask when you don’t need one is lame. His big inner conflict was with snoke apparently cause he keeps calling him a pussy Vader wannabe, in the end he still wants to rule.

Luke. isn’t he the guy that sensed the good in Vader and refused to fight even when yoda and obiwan both told him he must face him? So the second he senses darkness in his own nephew he turns vigilante killer? The same guy that walked in to meet the emperor unarmed is now too scared to get involved? Why exactly doesn’t he want to train Rey, what’s the worst that could happen, he already made a mess of Kylo. You would think he would be hoping to redeem his mistakes. Was it really necessary to see Luke milk ... whatever that was, and drink it?

The chase. Most of this movie revolves around the oj Simpson white bronco chase of cruisers. The elaborate plan to get inside the other ship was ultimately a waste. Light speed collision? Why didn’t they just sacrifice one of their ships doing that in the beginning?

Yoda and anekin. Apparently they can see what’s going on, they should know that Kylo wants to aspire to be Vader...why don’t they project themselves to Kylo and tell him he’s being a tool. He could hear from Vader himself. Instead yoda pops in to tell Luke that the ancient teachings are common sense and there isn’t anything in them that Rey won’t figure out on her own.

Leia. she’s known she’s Darth Vader’s kid for how many years and didn’t try to utilize the force? Why exactly is she a general in charge of tactics maneuvering fleets and logistical planning...wasn’t she a princess? I bet the actual military personnel overlooked were a bit peeved. She is sucked into he vacuum of space and survived, yet her mom loses the will to live and just dies.

Rey. Her big backstory is she had shitty parents that abandoned her?

Overall. I thought it was forced, unfocused, and incomplete. The main plot line most are interested in exploring is the Jedi/sithe one. Yet most of the immediate past is overlooked and merely grazed upon with Luke’s reaction to Kylo. Snoke, Rey, and Kylo are still a mystery. They went past it and it doesn’t seem like they are going to bring it up. The only saber fighting was against a few guards. So overall I was disappointed.

What I really would like to see is a movie about Vader. Hunting Jedi, being a bad ass, or maybe a subplot about Vader clones. Really the only awesome part of any of the new movies was when the emperor turned anekin to the dark side and he went all sithe lord on everyone, and his fight with obiwan.
 
My father was 25 when A New Hope was released. He never talks about, his friends don’t discuss it and for them the world moves on. I say this because these movies are made for kids.

I took my kids to see the movie and at 7 years old my son was on the edge of his seat. Loved everything about it. I was picking apart details, disagreeing with plot line options and generally over thinking it.

I watched it opening night and it was just yesterday talking with a friend that we all need to “breathe” and realize this is not for us.
 
Sylophine said:
My father was 25 when A New Hope was released. He never talks about, his friends don’t discuss it and for them the world moves on. I say this because these movies are made for kids.

I took my kids to see the movie and at 7 years old my son was on the edge of his seat. Loved everything about it. I was picking apart details, disagreeing with plot line options and generally over thinking it.

I watched it opening night and it was just yesterday talking with a friend that we all need to “breathe” and realize this is not for us.
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True, although that is what many are afraid of including myself. We were under the wrong assumption that the story would mature as its original audience does. It doesn’t, they are fine movies that kids love, and that is it. Our generation holds on to it like a possession, mostly because it was such an iconic part of childhood.

I have a scar on my chin, after watching the first movie in the theater I tied a blanket to the railing of our stairs and tried to swing down like Luke. I ended up plummeting like the coyote lol. I guess no one likes to see something that was such a part of their childhood not live up to their expectations. Then again, that’s a pretty tall order.
 
I believe the stand alone movies like Rogue One and the Han Solo will be for the generation that grew up with it. Darker and a deeper meaning rather than the sky high unbelievable story line of the trilogy.

Nicoftime said:
True, although that is what many are afraid of including myself. We were under the wrong assumption that the story would mature as its original audience does. It doesn’t, they are fine movies that kids love, and that is it. Our generation holds on to it like a possession, mostly because it was such an iconic part of childhood.

I have a scar on my chin, after watching the first movie in the theater I tied a blanket to the railing of our stairs and tried to swing down like Luke. I ended up plummeting like the coyote lol. I guess no one likes to see something that was such a part of their childhood not live up to their expectations. Then again, that’s a pretty tall order.
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I came away from it feeling a bit disappointed, but the more I think about it the more I like it and am looking forward to seeing it again soon.

I would have loved to see Luke fight properly, however he would never have killed his own nephew. The "fight" with Kylo seemed like a cut scene from a video game. Lukes comebacks were amusing though :)

I loved the scene of R2D2 projecting the original hologram, and I loved the yoda scene.

I don't know if it's because I'm used to the old scores so much but I felt John Williams was not at the top of his game.

The casino planet bored me.

Adrian Edmonson cropping up at the beginning was a shock and made it a bit hard to concentrate!

I felt there was something missing, there was no outstanding "Star Wars" moment.

I really wanted to see it at an IMAX but it's only on in IMAX 3D. Did anyone see it in 3D?
 
All Star Wars movies have big logic gaps. Think about blasters. They are energy based weapons and what they shoot should travel at the speed of light. If they did they would appear as a continuous beam like a laser. The affect is cooler though the way they did it. We accept logic failures in movies if they're entertaining enough for us to overlook them.

I thought both Force Awakens and Rogue One were awesome. I would rank them both ahead of Return of the Jedi. I'm glad that we're getting a new generation of characters and I think they got off to an awesome start. I just think they stumbled with this one. I think they were trying to live up Empire as a second movie and failed.
 
I like Star Wars but am by no means a purist. That being said I'm kinda meh on the new movie. I like the direction they took with Luke getting jaded by his "fallen angel" disciple. I liked how they make Adam Driver's character a complicated villain and not just a personification of evil for evil's sake. The things I didn't like were that the majority of the movie amounted to a slow motion car chase, the director lazily offed Snoke to usurp expectations, and lazily explained away Rey's parent's as a couple of vagrants to the same end. I didn't expect much of a payoff on either but the previous movie would lead you to believe that there would be some kind of fanfare around the reveals; It just seemed cheap. That being said I wasn't too upset. These are after all movies that are supposed to be primarily accessible to a younger generation and I have already received enough enjoyment out of the original 3.
 
I loved the Film but I do have a few issues with it.

  1. The original trilogy and subsequent prequels all made it clear that being a Jedi was a lifetime commintment, Children were taken at a young age and trained with a master for most of their young lives to become first a Jedi, Then a Jedi knight and finally a Jedi master. In this trilogy however Rey goes from knowing nothing of the forced to using it at her will with only 3 very basic lessons and a very short amount of time. It just feels like a betrayal to me of the story allready told about a Jedi's commitment.
  2. Luke Skywalkers character. He is the great Luke skywalker, The son of the chosen one. Okay he may turned sought solitude to meditate on things but to close himself of from the force and compleetly turn his back on the galaxy? Felt like a betrayal of his character and previous acheivements.
  3. Lightsabre battle. I loved the way that the tech displayed in this new trilogy was the same as the original trilogy, to quote Han Solo "Chewie, Were home". I would have liked however for them to have kept the amazing light sabre scenes from the prequel series.
Those are my only issues and although I feel they big issues I did overall like the film and maybe the third instalment will repoair some of these issues I have.
 
Or how about Luke casually throwing his old light saber over the cliff. Yes I know it was meant to be funny and unexpected, it seemed rude to the audience. The whole prior movie was a build up to that moment. I can see him doing it in anger, fear, or even in a creepy hermit “leave me alone” kind of way, but not the shrugging shoulders “been there done that” way.
 
L-u-c-y (Partner) said:
I came away from it feeling a bit disappointed, but the more I think about it the more I like it and am looking forward to seeing it again soon.

I would have loved to see Luke fight properly, however he would never have killed his own nephew. The "fight" with Kylo seemed like a cut scene from a video game. Lukes comebacks were amusing though :)

I loved the scene of R2D2 projecting the original hologram, and I loved the yoda scene.

I don't know if it's because I'm used to the old scores so much but I felt John Williams was not at the top of his game.

The casino planet bored me.

Adrian Edmonson cropping up at the beginning was a shock and made it a bit hard to concentrate!

I felt there was something missing, there was no outstanding "Star Wars" moment.

I really wanted to see it at an IMAX but it's only on in IMAX 3D. Did anyone see it in 3D?
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I could not agree more. I saw it a week ago and have left some time to ponder over it. Ultimately, I fear I am becoming jaded with Star Wars films. Less is more. Something Americans seldom understand, if I can be a little stereotypical. I think Rogue One has been the best film since the original trilogy and I cannot see it being topped for a while, if ever.
 
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I think for many people of my age (A New Hope came out when I was 4), new SW movies are always going to have a certain disappointment factor because we can't recapture what it was like to be a little kid. However, I really enjoyed The Last Jedi.

Ade Edmundson was great casting for me, added a bit of needed humour, all the original trilogy have a surprising amount of humour in them and I think the series needs to not take itself too seriously.

Strong female characters and lots of them. I don't need to add more to that on this forum.

Too many characters. I couldn't invest or see much development in them because there just seems to be too many people and too little camera time.

Like Lucy I thought the casino planet was meh. And all those creatures they saved, they'll just be rounded up again tomorrow surely?

The lightspeed attack was pretty awesome. Lightspeed missiles anyone?

I would have liked Luke to go out on a gritty full on battle, rather than the projection deception. I understand that this was a pretty cool thing but I think after all the years it would have been nice to see him wielding the sabre like a boss one last time.

It's a bit safe I have to say. There were scenes, interactions and concepts that seemed a little like a medley of what everyone liked about the original trilogy. Safe is better than rubbish though.

All in all, I'm happy with the film, wouldn't rush back to watch it again, but hey I'm old now. As annual says above Rogue One has been the best of the bunch in my book as well.

And now seeing as I'm old I'm going to bore you with an anecdote, Grampa Simpson style. In 1983, ROTJ was released in the US before the UK by quite a long time. I went and bought the american novelisation of the film, which was stupidly released before the film over here, then went into school and spoilered everyone I could find. Tee hee.
 
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I've seen it twice now, as with The Force Awakens I enjoyed it much more the 2nd time. The first time I felt uneasy not knowing where it was going to go, I was also trying to take in everything and forgot to enjoy it. On the 2nd viewing I could just go with it.

I had no problem with the slow chase, it made sense.

The Leia in space scene still looked weird, but I think it was just because of the bizarre dress she was wearing! If she was wearing something like what she wore in the force awakens it would have looked ok. Also people say she has not used the force before, how does anyone know? There's been a 30 year gap. Also I saw it as an instinctual self preservation reaction, she might not have even known she was doing it.

People talk about the original trilogy like they had no flaws, but there were plenty of cringy moments in them. How about the mighty sarlacc burping, or the badly done giant worm in the asteroid for instance? They flew down a worms open mouth and landed inside it? Imagine if they had done that in this film, ridiculous! Not to mention the ewoks.

I think it was pretty good and I'll be going back for a 3rd viewing now my local cinema has started showing IMAX screenings without 3D ! :)

The only problem I had was some nasty prick purposefully ruined the plot and ending for me before I saw it.
 
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Okay, I'll go against the general sentiment here. I consider The Last Jedi the worst Star Wars movie so far. The visuals are great and the music okay, but the plot and characters are so horrible it makes me shocked that somebody gave the script a go.

Honestly, my list of gripes is so long I'd have to write a wall of text to comment on all the things that I dislike about that movie, and the more I think about it, the more errors I find. So let me mention just a few examples.

Poe begins an attack Leia, the commanding officer, okayed, destroys a huge ship while losing 50 people tops, saves everyone's behind as those huge guns would have destroyed the whole Resistance fleet within minutes, and Leia scolds and demotes Poe?

Kylo refuses to kill his mother when he has the chance, then does his best to kill her less than a day later, without anything to explain such a change of heart?

The first order managed to conquer the new republic within days of losing the Starkiller base?

How the heck could DJ sell Hondo's plan to the First order? Neither Finn nor Rose knew a plan existed, much less what the plan was.

Why turn Luke, one of the most beloved heroes in movie history, into a person who'd sneak in to murder his nephew in his sleep?

Who the heck made Rey's parents nameless jerks, after episode 7 spent so much time hinting at Rey's past?

Speaking of episode 7, the main reason Finn had to help Poe was because Finn was no pilot. And now he's somehow the ace who outflew Poe and would have managed to destroy that siege cannon if it wasn't for Rose?

The list could go on and on and on...
 
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Wow - what a discussion - so the movie can't be THAT bad!;)
But I will admit honestly: I was a bit pissed at the end as well.

I think my main problem (being an Oldie and still clearly remembering my amazement when seing the first Star Wars movie) is the radical generational break.
Hated to see the end of Han Solo (my only real hero in all the years) in the last Episode, now Luke - and we all know that there's no Carrie Fisher anymore (even all the bad guys have been erased).
And the next Generation is too obviously geared to catch all possible target groups - the first female hero (sorry Ladies, not meant bad), a black man, some asian girl, in the end even children - as you know my brain: I was sitting there thinking "I wonder when the first gay Jedi will show up?!"
Don't think this was about being "PC", but to pick up as many merchandize-customers as possible.
But I think, I will handle it the same way Lucy did: I will watch it a second time (and yes: in 3D and with Dolby-atmos it still was amazing anyway)...
 
Noooo, not kids in a kids film!

How about the ludicrous scene in the original when luke and leia swing accross the chasm with a thin wire that would have cut his hands. The door was opening and the storm troopers could have shot their legs. And how bout when han solo ran down the corridor yelling and the storm troopers turned around and ran away. The old films would also have been ripped to shreds if the internet had been around in those days.

As they say, no one hates star wars more than star wars fans.
 
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