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    Hi all.

    I have a very slight problem with my chastity arrangement with my Wife, and I need some advice.

    First, some background. I have been keeping a journal for the past five months or so, but that is long and I felt that a new post was more suitable for what I want to discuss.

    My Wife is my Mistress and keyholder, and has helped me get to where I am with Chastity since I first started wearing a device last October. Since last November I have been wearing a Holy Trainer 24/7 and we have built up my routine to being allowed out to clean once every one to two weeks. In that time my average time between orgasms has been about five weeks, since January my Wife has had 25 orgasms to my 2.5 (the .5 was an accidental ejaculation without orgasmic feelings when I was scratching my balls! Seriously!)

    We live a happy, moderate FLR where my Wife is basically in charge of the big decisions in our lives, has the career and keeps me busy. She is not particularly interested in denial in the form that you see or read about in chastity or femdom porn but she does absolutely love teasing me. We are both still learning what our roles in this lifestyle are and that is essentially why I am asking for some advice.

    My Wife loves playing with my bottom when we are in the shower together. I have lost a lot of weight recently and she is being very tactile with my bottom pretty much all the time. I think this is why she has me wearing female tight leggings around the house all the time. Anyway, she has learnt that the longer she denies me an orgasm the more extreme my reaction is to her attentions. She can get me to the point where my legs can no longer hold me up and I collapse at her feet.

    So far we have not gone any further with any sexual activities that involve her doing things to me. She wants to try ruining my orgasms but we haven't had a chance to discuss what she is comfortable with due to travel and she has been ill. She is getting lots of orgasms through me pleasuring her orally. My two full orgasms were both through normal sex, I hesitate to use the acronym to describe this after reading how much many females hate this fairly brutal description of sex. Basically we made love, and both times my orgasms were memorable to say the least.

    The problem.

    I asked my Wife how she was feeling and whether she was still ok with using chastity in our relationship. Her response is what worried me. She absolutely loves the oral sex she is getting. She no longer feels any guilt denying me my own orgasms as she fully understands how it has made me feel much more powerful orgasms when I do get them and how I respond to her touch. But she is really missing having me inside her. She feels that she cannot ask me to make love to her as I have asked to be denied and she really wants to do this for me.

    We have talked about using denial cream but she does not like using condoms so being able to use this effectively is going to be limited. I also have to be careful not to inadvertently get the denial cream in her as well. I have tried using a penis extender and it was utterly useless, a big floppy condom that she found to be too painful. Because of this, and because I have read how other women balk at the idea of getting their men to use a strap on, I cannot bring myself to suggest we try this method. I think that she is also not much into the power play of using a strap on rather than my penis simply as a way of humiliating me, or anything like that. What I mean is she wouldn't get off on seeing me caged whiled I was wearing a dildo to use on her.

    What do I do? I told her that this is very much up to her desires, that the whole point is to give her control of my orgasms, and that if she wants to make love then that is what we do. But she is stuck feeling that she cannot tell me when I have to make love to her as she really wants me to go longer between them and she wants me to keep this feeling of pent up hornyness that gives her so much fun when she teases me. She really does love the way I squirm about and how passionate I get.

    I am away from home working as a consultant for a German company this week, so when I get back on Friday night I am going to talk to her about this. I want her to join the mansion to talk to some of the incredible females we have as members, but so far she has not felt like doing this. I just don't know how to help her as we are stuck in this loop of both wanting the denial for practical and for my fantasy reasons, but her wanting me to make love to her even though she knows that I am definitely going to cum.

    I am not sure that I am making any sense. My Wife is doing an incredible job, we really enjoy what chastity is doing for us. She isn't worried about me masturbating but loves how I have pledged to her that I will not do it without her permission. We are closer than we have been for a long time and this is in no small part due to the more tactile and caring husband I have become, with her relaxing due to the removal of any sexual performance pressure. I am just concerned that she has hit a block that we have talked about several times without coming up with a solution.

    So any help, advice, ideas, whatever, all would be gratefully received.
     
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    It seems you have a problem then @Jasmic68 . There are a few males on here that seem to be able to indulge in PIV sex and are able to withhold their ejaculation. Perhaps they may be able to help you.
     
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    I am utterly hopeless at being able to stop myself @Mistress B and always have been. I have tried thinking all sorts of things, doing times tables and other mental maths problems, cabbage, my mother in law, nothing stops me. Having an orgasm stops me having another one but that is obviously not the answer.

    It's is a shame there aren't schools for this sort of thing, I could do with some lessons in denying myself.
     
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    Well, denial and chastity seem to work for you, and for you both, so no problem there. I can well understand you baulking at the idea of using a strap-on. We have one, but only for Wonderful to use on me - she has no interest in me doing her with it, so I understand where you're coming from.

    So...she wants you to make love to her using your penis, but doesnt want you to come. What are your options?
    1. Using honesty and control so you let her know you need to pull-out or slow down. Of course you might not last as long as she'd like, so we're on to option 2...
    2. Get her to have a chat with Dre, our Administor's wife and Kh about banding. She might baulk at that also.

    You do need to have a proper talk with your wife, and discuss all the options, and since banding is on the table, so should a strap-on - if only to discount them, but only after careful consideration and some weeks of thought.

    In short, discuss all options openly, and over a few weeks, as what is thought impossible at first can be come possible once the mind has had time to settle.
     
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    Thanks @SubVerity . I have mentioned banding after reading about it and as an ex nurse my Wife is not happy with the idea. She is worried about long term damage. Personally I would happily do this for her but she is in charge.

    Denial and chastity very definitely work for us and I realize how lucky I am to have her as my Wife. I would also love her to use a strap-on on me, she really has changed the way I feel about anal play. Before chastity we didn't really use that part of our anatomy for pleasure now neither of us can get enough of it! As for stopping if I start to get close I am worried that this would ultimately just frustrate her even more and she would not want to continue.

    As I said, this is all a bit of a loop that we are stuck in. :(
     
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    By the way I did try banding when I first read about it. It completely removed feeling in my glans for a few days and I am sure that it would work, but as I said she is not happy with me doing this. I will however see if I can convince her to talk to Dre.
     
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    This is a bit of topping from the bottom no? I guess I would encourage her to use you as she likes. If it takes you a bit longer to rebound to the level of horns that she would like, that would seem to be her choice....I an not trying to be a jerk here, just wondering out loud that if she is in charge, then she should get what she wants in this regard. Forgive me for being blunt.
     
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    I would just like to make the point that there is no such thing as topping from the bottom.

    There is a place for letting one's partner know what one's feelings about one's needs are, discussing one's fantasies, letting your partner know that you feel you could perform even better for them (in whatever ways) and please them better if they were to XYZ.

    Nothing wrong with any of the above.

    It's all just communication.
     
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    Absolutely not @Tombow , no topping from the bottom at all. I have tried to put into words what my Wife said last night when we had our discussion about how we feel about moving forwards with chastity. I have told my Wife exactly what you suggest, that she uses me exactly as she wishes. The simple fact is my Wife wants me to be happy and she knows that the longer I go without an orgasm the hornier and more responsive I get. She knows I love feeling this way and that by having an orgasm I lose that feeling for a few weeks.

    I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone else being blunt with me. I totally appreciate any thoughts or advice including any accusations like yours.
     
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    Thank you. I appreciate the reply and the explanation....well, I do hope some happy accommodation can be arranged by folks with more experience on this specific question. I am afraid this is very much beyond any experience I have to lend. Best of luck and thanks again!
     
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    Although I'm an absolute beginner, I understand your situation perfectly as I'm very worried about how things will work for us in the future. You're very lucky that your wife achieves orgasm with oral sex. My wife can reach orgasm only through penetration, which will put me in the same situation as you real soon... together with my good old problem of premature ejaculation, to make things worse.

    I was also searching for solutions for a scenario like this here on the forum and all I could find was strapon, numbing cream, numbing condoms and banding.
    I was also doing research online and I read that yoga, meditation, taoist sex and the like might help. It all sounds like "heavy" disciplines that might take months or even years to master. Pure mind control. I guess it might be possible, I wonder only how much time and effort I will have to put until I see some results.

    This is a very interesting subject as I see myself in the same situation very soon, specially because my wife can not reach orgasm with oral sex. I must also find a solution soon to server her with penetration without me cuming in 5 seconds.:(

    I'll keep an eye on this thread! Thanks for starting it!
     
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    I find the premature thing is different with each partner.

    With some it never happened and I was an all night stud, with others I was so nervous about 'performing' that it'd often happen.

    One smart lass told me to see how quickly I could come inside her - and that completely took the pressure off and after that no problem at all. This was pre-chas tity interest. Nowadays that game is all part of the game, so all that happens is I come on command on her countdown. God I love that. She doesnt come from penetration though so normally it's a count of 20, or 40 if I'm lucky :/
     
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    Hello jasmic.

    Forgive me if I did not read your post clearly or succinctly, but my question is do you THINK she would not like you to make love to her still caged but wearing a large dildo (perhaps in a harness with an integral butt plug like mine which my Wife/Mistress/Keyholder has STILL not let me use on her for fear of injury and the unknown) or do you KNOW this for a fact? Perhaps clarifying this and if the answer is neutral or positive (that she would consider it) scheduling a shopping trip WITH her to pick out just the right harness for you and just the right dildo for her might give her some comfort and maybe titillate her enough to help bring it to fruition. Perhaps the trip could include her picking out a harness for herself and a dildo to use upon you? Just my two cents. I hope you have better luck than I have.

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    My advise is to approach your challenge over the course of MANY intimate times together and not focus on the next time you penetrate her. Just with anything, with practice and intention, you two can work together to find a balance between being denied orgasm and satisfying your wife and key holder. Maybe for now, pull out as soon as you know you are going to cum so it is a ruined orgasm. this way you can, theoretically, keep you horniness maximized, even if you do ejaculate. Then over time, do your best to increase your stamina. Sounds like you and your wife have an honest and loving relationship, which give me great hope you two can find a solution.
     
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    A good question. I have not asked my Wife about the idea of using a strap on, I am hesitant to suggest it due to my experiences of using toys with her in the past. It has always been my idea and the results have always been less than I hoped. My wife is always happy to try new things but in the end they are put away due to them not actually enhancing our sexual experience.

    The main tenet since starting chastity is that now this is all about her desires, not mine. So this makes it even more hard for me to suggest as it is not something she desires. I am fairly comfortable with suggesting she use one on me, as that falls into a different category, but the other way round is different. If I get her to join the Mansion and she talks to some of the other women and it comes up in their conversations then that would be different.

    I have found through this forum a wonderful British, London based company who make all sorts of silicone dildos and butt plugs, http://www.babes-n-horny.com and if the right situation presents itself I will definitely suggest we get something to her.
     
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    My wife and I are 3 months into chastity and were running into similar problems, after a week of denial I would only last a couple of minutes before having to stop or go over the edge whenever inside her. We were experimenting with ruined orgasms ( she loves watching my frustration)and discovered that giving multiple ruined ones in a row the stimulation(time) required between each one increased. After 5 or 6 it just wouldn't happen, still rock hard but unable to reach the edge
    No creams, no toys, no condoms, she got as much as she wanted and I was left knackered,frustrated and and horny as hell
    Might not work for everyone but worth a try
     
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    Thanks for that idea @Under the key - I must admit I hadn't thought of doing that. My Wife has said that she wants to have a go at ruining my orgasms as I think she wants to watch me squirm. She has really got into teasing me in the shower, my response makes her feel very powerful and turns her on a lot.

    I am interested to find out if the feeling I get of being seriously horny after about two weeks lessens if I am drained this way.

    I would love to be able to stay erect long enough to make my Wife as happy as she was last time we made love. I think her only issue is she does get a sense of enjoyment in being able to make me cum which obviously won't happen. I still think the e could be a good way of moving forwards with chastity though.
     
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    Jasmic68. I have no real solution to your problem except to say that whenever my wife wants penetration, we do so in the scissors position. She prefers it that way because I can concentrate on her top half while she can bring herself off while I'm inside her. She prefers me to keep still while she's doing it therefore I feel only a little sensation. I'm sure if I were moving inside her I would find it much more difficult to control myself.
    We are all different in our preferences. Perhaps you just need to find a similar way. A way where you feel little or no sensation, while your wife can get the satisfaction of feeling you inside her. I wish you both luck.
     
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    Thanks @keyser_sose . That is an interesting idea, not something we have tried doing. It does sound incredibly erotic, it is sort of a close but no cigar way of making love for you while she gets the feeling of you being close.

    Actually, the thought of doing that is really turning me on!
     
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    I use the pulling out method. Just as I fill I wanna cum I pull out. Has worked for several months.

    However I am just about to be caged and mistress is happy to use a dido.

    Best thing I can say is always talk about issues and problems and be honest with easy other. Trust me it helps
     
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    Hello jasmic.

    I dont know...maybe it is just me but we did try penetration one other time besides the two orgasms I have had in the last 4 years using desensitizing cream with a condom and a cock & ball noose (an adjustable cock ring of sorts) to help keep me erect and it was a disaster. As the cream kicked in my erection began to deflate very quickly and I was not even really able to penetrate my Wife/Mistress/Keyholders very snug anatomy. I ended up more angry than anything and that was the only time we tried it. Her general feeling was that she did not really need penetration anymore anyway and that the hot grinding and making out and her vibrator more than satisfy her. I do know how much she used to like being taken hard and fast in our early days and how we would also grind until she climaxed and then would have me quickly enter her and thrust to my climax which would usually put her over the top again. I remind her of all of this and how me strapping on a dildo would still give her the control she craves while I would be pounding away feeling nothing but the anal plug attached to my strap on harness tormenting my prostate meanwhile suffering the indignity of being limp and leaking in my device. I also mentioned to her that I may end up climaxing from the anal stimulation which I thought she might might find sexy and hot in a very devious way....yet I get the usual, "I will have to think about it." I also found hypersensitivity and PE are the downside of longterm denial (she was amused) and lockup so trying to add that in to give her penetration without my orgasm is useless in my opinion because the two times I have been in her in the last 4 years may total a minute and a half before I could not hold back. The least recent orgasm came in just over a minute...I was all set to settle in and allow myself to calm a bit and she started pawing at my nipples and raising her awesome feet and pretty painted toes to my face to kiss and suck and I lost all control to her delight even though I begged her to stop so I could try to make it last...I felt so weak and pathetic because I was unable to resist my primal urge to thrust and it was over...the last time over 2 years ago I barely got inside her and she started clenching on me and plucking my nipples again and with nary a thrust I felt my orgasmic trigger cock and I helplessly thrusted like 10 times because I feared I would only get a tingle and go limp and dribble. I can still see her closing her eyes and smiling and feeling her wrapping he legs around me as I groaned in humiliating resignation as I came. Maybe you are a better man than I and can make the real thing work, but I would really strongly consider pursuing the route of a strap on with your wife as part of the process if you do not want to have orgasms through penile stimulation and still give her penetration. Maybe she might even like the idea of the appearance of a realistic dildo given what you have said about her disdain for the manner in which you modified yourself (Please do not take that wrongly!!! )? Sometimes our women are so difficult to figure out...even when
    we communicate with them the answers and results are more of a riddle than anything. Anyway, hang in there. Sorry for such a long comment. Let us know how you make out.

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    @allaboutHer , please don't worry about what you said about her disdain, you have the situation correctly identified. As always I appreciate anyone's input and prefer people to be forthright with their views. I asked for advice and it would be a poor show on my part if I then got upset with what I was given!

    To be honest the one thing that has come out of this thread is the understanding that not wanting to cum is what I have wanted, not necessarily what she has wanted. She fully understands that the peak of my responses to her attention doesn't start until about two weeks after my last orgasm, but if she denies me after that period she is doing so because of my wishes, not hers. If she is missing my penis inside her then who am I to put her in a position where she doesn't experience it?

    I am away from home for two more nights so this coming Saturday we will use my Saturday rule rights to discuss all if this. I am going to show her the blog I have found that has opened my eyes to what I was doing, and talk about the ideas that I have been given here. Personally I would love nothing more than to get a strap on, but that is just the point, it is what I want. I am going to tell her that I would like to do this and that I would definitely like her to use one on me as in another thread I have been helped to get over the worry about topping from the bottom. My Wife is obviously trying to please me and she has got very tactile with my bottom, so we will see what she thinks. If she says no then that is fine, to either suggestion.
     
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    I've just written a long post about how we love strap ons, I'd hope that was quite a female friendly perspective for her if you dared bring it up?
    We also use a penis extender but a really good one, not one of the condom ones:
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    Crickey how do I make images smaller? lol that's almost lifesize!

    The important thing with either of these is MAKE SURE THEY ARE WARM! Cold things stuck in us makes it feel like a gynae exam, not sexy (unless you're really kinky...).

    It depends what she really means when she says she misses you in her. It isn't just about your cock in her, making love like that is very much about connection and intimacy. I GET that when we use a strap on too, but his frustration turns me on.

    Honestly if you can get her to try it, and like me, discovers she can orgasm from it... well, yeah, that very quickly wins you over, trust me.

    Also, just on the 'not liking condoms' - have you even tried some of the new non-latex ones, they feel very different.

    Anyway, as a strap-on lover feel free to ask me anything.

    Jane xxx
     
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    Thank you so much @keephimcaged - I am very drunk right now and quite emotional, been out visiting a German friend, but I will definitely be showing what you just wrote to my Wife on Saturday. The penis extender we used was awful and not cheap and not warm. It put my Wife off that sort of thing a lot, so I will let you know what she says.
     
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    Panda2010 There's a fine line between pleasure and pain

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    Hi @Jasmic68 I can see your dilemma but it looks like there have been some interesting answers. I guess it is a situation where you both can't get 100% of what you would like all the time. So it seems like a bit of experimentation is called for, including mixing it up a bit.

    How often would your wife ideally like to have sex with you? And does she want you to cum each time or would she be happy if you only came sometimes? [Not questions you need to answer here, but it is probably useful information to have if you are going to work out a happy solution that works for you both].

    The comments below focus on solutions that don't require tops/creams etc [although agree with the point made by @SubVerity that all options should be at least discussed, even if they are discarded]

    The suggestion by @Under the key about a number of ruined orgasms in a row and the scissor position suggestion from @keyser_sose could help help satisfy your wife's need for normal intercourse, but might not satisfy her need for you to cum.

    But maybe, depending on how often your wife would like to have intercourse and how often she would like you to cum, it might be possible to do a bit of mixing and matching. Maybe normally she gives you a number of ruined orgasms before intercourse so you don't cum while having sex. Then at other times she only gives you 1 or 2 ruined orgasms before intercourse to delay but not prevent you cumming. She has control over what she wants to do at any particularly time, and you don't know what she is going to do [if that is the way you want to play it].

    Probably need to experiment to work out an 'optimal' keep you from having an orgasm - so that you still get horny/responsive etc but she still gets you to cum while having sex reasonably regularly. Maybe it is more like 2-3-4 weeks without an orgasm, rather than 6-8 weeks.

    Makes for some interesting fun to find out what works for the both of you.

    Hope your wife at least agrees to read some of this thread to take in the ideas, even if she doesn't join up. Good luck to you and your wife.
     
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