Religious discussion (continued from “Christianity and Chastity”)

Maybe you are Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole, and Lewis Carroll is your god.

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable psychosis.

 

That's backwards thinking. You don't exist IN reality and you are not a substance within it. Your reality, with your version of a god, and what you think of as you, exists only within you.

You are the outer edges of the big bang, the "guh", experiencing itself.

Take 3 giant puffs of DMT and you'll experience the curtain, and floor, being pulled back. Maybe you'll even get to talk to your god and it's machine-elf friends.

 

I never said it showed reality, or "reality".

I purposefully said DMT, since the experience of DMT is very different to LSD, 4aco-dmt, shrooms, or any other psychadelic.

But yeah, once you had one type of cheese, you've had them all.

 

If something exists outside of time, then does it, could it, has it ever existed at all. If something existed for 10 seconds we could say that it existed, but if it existed for 0 seconds it did not exist at all.

 

You are thinking in too few dimensions

 

I'm really not. I've actually been thinking a lot about spacetime and how to visualise 3D space with time. I've been listening to an audio book "Why does E=mc²?" Physics is hard!!!

But thank you for the link.

 

Not. That's too complicated. I prefer to imagine a 3D universe floating through time in only one direction. As if I am outside this universe in a dark void, but the universe looks to me to be the size of a small rucksack. I can tell it moves forward intuitively, because I can feel the Gs on my body as I move along with it, but I have no frame of reference to visually see that it is moving at all.

 

You already visualise 3D space and time, bro, don't ovethink it. Instead, just relax into the experience of now.

What does that tell you?

 

If it existed outside of time, then one can't really say that it existed for 0 seconds, but I think you can make an argument for saying it exists for eternity.

 

Can we demonstrate that anything could live or exist outside of time? It's difficult to imagine what "outside of time" actually means, or if "outside of time" is a meaningless concept.

 

Which is fictional, so how can that be relevant? Oh hang on a minute... We are talking about fiction. Silly me.

 

Not true.

Tp know that something exists for eternity suggests you have a means for testing that. You don't. So saying it is nonsense.

You may as well have said that it is turtles all the way down, which is just as likely as a space alien that exists beyond time taking an interest in your masturbation habits and will judge you when your mortal remains can no longer offer life support to your energetic self.

Right, your god determined your path when your face rubbed against a vagina, and decided that because you live in a certain place you ought to have clean drinking water, education, ready access to food and social care, and internet, but if you were born elsewhere your god would have chosen an eye-worm for you, followed by several years of agony and an early death without the joys of the internet.

The worst part is; Your god knows all this because it planned it, and does it because it's sold you the lie that it's a compassionate god rather than the face value of it being a supra galactic monster that more resembles Dewey smiting ants with a shovel than a loving god.

 

As a useful metaphor, I'd agree, but that isn't proof.

 

How so? I would say a fictional character has no free will of it's own, it is fictional. The author is the free will of those characters when it is thought and written down, edited and published, but thereafter it is set in stone, so-to-speak. We are reading a past event. Sure, we bring those characters to life for a moment, it's a wonderful thing, but it's the ultimate in determinism. Unless I travel to an alternate universe Darth Vader is always going to turn out to be Luke Skywalker's father. Sorry... spoiler alert!

 

So it’s more like writing AI prompts. I guess He planned on us having 3 fingers and our heads facing the other way… but it just went slightly off and He went with it

 

A fictional universe in which the characters have no free will. All I have proof of is that an author wrote it, with their free will, edited it with their free will, and more than likely had an independent editor or more. So each of the characters could actually be more described as having dual or multiple personalities. It is all fixed at printing and publishing. You have free will to pick up that book, but there is nothing within those books that is physically alive by any description that is commonly used. At no point during the process are those characters using free will. Free will is the product of a personal biological brain, it is not transferable like some Freaky Friday kinda thing. But then I wouldn't expect someone who believes in the Bible to know the difference between fact and fiction.