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    So what happened to me last night…

    My wife has not been into chastity or at least keyholding.. We have had some argument about it when she was holding the key for me and it ended with she giving me the key, saying she doesn’t want anything to do with it at all anymore..

    I had a thread on that and used some of yours advice and left the whole thing alone for a while.

    Recently, I got the urge again so decide to start self-locking.
    I managed to get through locktober with most nights “free” and days locked.
    Two weeks ago I picked it up again and decided I would try to wear overnight which I managed over the past week and a half..

    We sleep naked so it was a bit tricky to sneak in the bed without her seeing or noticing.
    That went pretty good and she never said anything so I assumed she didn’t notice.

    last night we were sitting on the couch together and cuddled again when she put her hand on my leg, petted me a bit, going up and for sure she touched the cage, going down to the knee after, not mentioning anything.
    My heart was pounding!

    then that night we went to bed. I gave her back rubs, we cuddled a bit and went to sleep….
    After a bit, she pulled my hand and moved it down to her happy place which woke me up and I started fingering! I got doen on her and gave her a nice O (oh man! I was in heaven! Locked and giving oral!!) after which she said: “make yourself ready for PiV”
    Which I did by removing the cage on the bedside, with my back turned to her.
    we finished off and had a quick O for me.

    Afterwards she asked: “that was very nice but quick? You didn’t jerk?”
    I told her “no.. not for the past few weeks… And I found this very exciting” we kissed intense after that.

    we cuddled and went to sleep.

    I guess (or hope) she did notice the cage over the past weeks as she even mentioned “to get ready”?

    would this be a step in the right direction?
     
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    It sure sounds like it :)

    Just don't be pushy, let her go at her own pace.
     
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    thank you for the positive reaction!
    this helps to cope with my anxiety on this new try.

    For sure I will take it slow!
    Last time it didn’t work out that well as I was probably too pushy…
    I’m enjoying every step from now on and super thrilled that it may work now
     
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    :)

    Just play it cool, don't be needy, don't bring it up,
     
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    Make sure to give her a lot of attention when you wear the cage. That is attention without some kind of expected return. With back rubs and foot massages she will hopefully tease you in return. Remember that it is up to her when things will go further. That is the most difficult part of chastity.
     
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    It also sounds like she doesn't want you masturbating. Keep it up.

    It sounds like you don't need to make too much of an effort to hide it as long as you aren't flaunting it intentionally.

    Your authenticity with integrity, purity, and
     
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    Thanks for the insights and advice until now to all of you.. hoping for more people giving some feedback!

    I don’t know if she does or doesn’t like..
    like I said in my OP, things got a bit off bound the last time when she was part of the exercise. I might have been too needy and flaunting too much!
    (As a lot of us I made the same rookie mistakes I guess)

    I don’t dare to push things now so don’t want to bring anything up in a talk for now either..

    I may try to do less of an effort to hide it and if she does bring up masturbation, I’m going to confirm I am keeping myself off from that. No additional mentioning of the cage whatsoever.

    Let’s hope we can make it work this time…
     
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    Good luck. She'll come around if you show her it really works. Not tell her.
     
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    Sounds like it's going well for you, stay the course, and maybe she will ease back into it
     
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    Another step in the right direction.. or am I imagining things?

    last night I slept in and my wife was getting to sleep as well. we were laying face-to-face and she woke me (back) up as she shifted her knee up which touched my crotch.
    I pretended still asleep but felt her knee up against my cage!

    she didn’t move!
    Just left it that way!

    I drifted away into heaven again…

    She might have been asleep as well but I sort-of hope she was still awake and did this on purpose.
    False hope?
     
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    Just looked through your previous experience.
    I should apologise, my tongue in cheek remarks probably did not help you in any way at all.

    Reading this now I probably have some better feedback.
    I don’t think this is healthy.
    Keeping your cage as a weird thing in between you two, not knowing whether she’s accepting or would prefer it all to just stop. You could be driving her from you more than helping the situation. What if she wanted to be close to you the other morning and instead felt your cage and stopped… maybe she feels you wear the cage to keep her from you. I don’t know the answers to that, what conversations you’ve had or her understanding of what you want.

    I think it’s pretty obvious you made mistakes previously.

    What’s in it for her?
    You’ve got to think about the aspects she would want from this. If I was getting my cage out in public or washing my windows naked because I had a cage on I doubt my wife would be too accepting either.
    She keeps me caged as she sees how it improves me and our relationship.

    This started with her first accepting the cage and then understanding of what it was all about. It sounds as if your partner is accepting to some degree of the cage now, or at least your determination to wear it. Does she know why?

    You said in your previous thread that she found it ‘in her face’. That could be a nod to the excessive behaviours you were demonstrating… but I think it might be something far more simple. Your cage is very big. Almost daunting. I know from speaking to my wife about my cages that she would not allow that one for me.

    Here’s my 5 point plan to get this moving to where you want it to go… (I’m assuming this is you caged 24/7 with your partner in control of your orgasms):

    1. Research the hormonal affects of chastity.

    2. Bring up the cage with your partner. Something simple like “are you happy with my cage”

    3. Explain to her how being caged makes you feel. Yes horny and frustrated, but also all your attention is devoted to her. It makes you feel closer etc. be genuine. Show her the research.

    4. Ask her to pick a cage with you that she would be happy to keep you in.

    5. Lock it up and ask her just to keep the keys until she wants you out. Do not discuss it or show any other weird kinks. See where she leads it to.

    Might work, might not. Wouldn’t want to stay in chastity limbo like you are now though…

    I will say if you’re expecting her to suddenly more dominant and into weird fetishes you’ll only ever be disappointed. She is who she is and you’ve got to be accepting of that.
     
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    Thank you IB-chaste!
    I do appreciate your input and proposed steps!

    Why I went the path I went:
    she did say at our previous “discussion/disagreement” that stopped everything (my previous experience):
    If you want to wear a cage on your dick, feel free! It’s yours.. but I think it’s weird and don’t want to hold a key nor want to have anything to do with it.

    a couple of weeks ago we were talking “weird” people as suddenly in that conversation, she just said with a smile: “by the way, you’re a bit weird too as you like to have your dick in a cage”. Out of the blue, not mean or disgusted or something.
    I replied that I’m not that weird and there is many more guys and couples into this where she said: “well I think it is a bit weird”
    And that talk went as it went, talking about other weird people, no additional mentioning it or whatsoever…

    based on that friendly remark:
    - she still knowing I’m into this thing
    - apparently sort-of accepting it
    I decided to go for this retry..

    I just left all the potential negative behavior out now. (As suggested by other form I’m members in that thread) Focusing on being nice, loving and helpful but not subby or needy and not flaunting nor brining up the cage in any talk at all.

    This is why I didn’t (or actually don’t) want to bring it up for now in a “serious talk”

    maybe I’m on the wrong track..
    or maybe this way she can slowly adapt and accept, experience that I am being her manly “man” that just cares for her with or without cage
     
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    Food for thought then.
    How do you change her understanding that the cage doesn’t cause problems and you’re really good to her…
    To understanding that you are being really good to her because of the cage*?


    *If that is the case
     
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    @IB-Chaste has laid out a great 5 step plan for you, @Pieterchaste . The only thing that I might suggest you add, if this is part of your thinking, is that you appeal to her to help you with your compulsion to view porn & masturbate so that you can be chaste for her. Tell her you love her and want her to be the only source of your sexual pleasure, but only after satisfying her needs for emotional, intellectual, & physical intimacy.
     
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    I would, for now, like her to be comfortable with me caged and that it doesn’t change me or my behavior…

    As soon as she brings it up “why” I like it this way, then she is the one initiating “the talk” and not me.. which means I haven’t pushed (too much) and she is interested or at least comfortable with the situation!

    only then (I think..) is the time for me to explain that if I keep away from masturbation and maybe once in a while have sex with the cage on, I feel sex being even much more intense. That it reminds me of her and being devoted to her all day, every day. Not as a sub or slave but as her partner…
    Hopefully then she would be happy to help me and hold my key again…..
    If that requires, changing the cage model or ensuring her it is not to be used against her but more like “for” her.

    so going back to your first reply, I think I’m balancing at or just before your “step 2”
     
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    Sorry
    I was just typing a reply when your message popped up right before I placed mine!

    but yes!
    I think both you guys are in the direction I would like to go and work on!
     
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    Sex with it on might be one weird thing too far to start. You know her best, and will have make that call.
     
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    #18 bondinchas, Dec 8, 2022
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    Definitely. She doesn't seem to mind you wearing it, so that's a big plus.

    But don't pester her at all. I mean about holding the key, rules, or even explanations.
    Just make wearing your cage your new normal.
    If she asks you to take it off, for sex or any other reason, do so without question. But then, once the reason for not having it on has passed, without a fuss or even mentioning it, put it back on.
    That will have two effects. Firstly it will normalise your wearing of the cage, and also it will put her in charge sexually. It won't feel like it to her to start with, as you'll always be compliant, so it won't feel like a power struggle. If you allow her to always make the decision when you take your cage off, then she's effectively making all the decisions on when you can have sex, so will become the dominant controlling partner.

    Oh, but you DO want her to notice a change in your behaviour. What you shouldn't try to do is change her, that's hard to do. What's much easier is to be the person who changes their behaviour for the better. You are the person that needs to change!
    What you need to aim for is for her to experience the benefits of you being caged. Being more attentive, caring, catering for her needs, anticipating the little things that she needs done, and just doing them before she needs to ask, or does them herself. It will be mostly just little routine daily things, picking up the garbage, making breakfast or dinner, doing the dishes, fetching her slippers, getting her a drink, ...

    Once she understands that your chastity is changing you for the better then you won't need to offer her the key, she'll be asking for it!
     
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    I think you are on the right track... go slow and be prepared to win her over with your behavior and a little information to help her realize it's not as weird as she thinks. It took my wife awhile to come around to that, but having a changed man who is her best friend and confidant is very compelling!
     
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    odd enough, a few years back, this is how I introduced the cage to her…
    We were fresh in our relationship and exploring stuff including light bdsm..
    We did have sex with it on a couple of times..
    She even once texted me at work: “get home, put on your cage and finish me off with your tongue”, followed by a very sexy selfie picture

    That is why I’m confused that it didn’t work in my previous attempt.. and that is why I think she is not totally against.
     
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    I follow you!
    But it’s so difficult as I already was loving, caring and helpful without cage
     
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    Thanks!
    That is supportive to hear that you managed!
    I’m aiming for the same result

    but ineed.. slow and with baby steps this time
     
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    That's where your definition of "sex" becomes important. If to you that means PIV, it's going to make things very difficult. But if for me it means sexual activity resulting in arousal and / or one or more of us reaching orgasm, than sex can happen a lot without ever removing the cage.
     
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    You are so spot on! Your changed behavior, all of the things that you begin to do for her, etc. very well could produce significant change in her without you even trying to change her. It happened to my wife and I love the changes it's produced in her.
     
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    I was assuming he meant piv strapon sex, and was urging caution. It has taken my wife a long time to get used to even keeping me locked after some worshipping, I think she'd feel like rewarding me, and it would usually lead to piv and an orgasm for me. Despite me being happy to be denied, wanting to be denied more often than she would... She still does a bit, and she knows for sure that I'm so much better at 2 weeks than at one. When she wants it she'd rather it were fairly conventional. For me, it is more intense every time, even if it's been only a few days, the fact that it's less played with has made me very sensitive.
     
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