Religious discussion (continued from “Christianity and Chastity”)

Jesus did say "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That and a few other statements his contemporaries considered blasphemous made most who heard him cut and run or take up blades and pitchforks and have him executed.

 

I just mean good. Righteous adds the notion of "right and good". I don't mean anything deeper than that.

 

Well christianity and chastity are possible.

At first the childmolesting priests should get their cocks locked up for the rest of their lives.

 

I have ideas to solve this.

 

Basically agree. Something is wrong in the culture of the priesthood for this to be an issue. Not only is it a) against the law, b) against humanity, and c) against Christianity, it is also against the vows priests make to get into the priesthood. There is just no excuse. They should be kicked out of the priesthood and excommunicated from the Catholic faith. I do think it was tolerated within the priesthood. To me, that speaks of very weak leadership.

Now, it's not surprising that, with a lack of leadership, priests would revert to this behavior. We see it with every single type of person in every single profession. No profession is immune, so I'm not surprised it occurs within the priesthood. The thing that surprises me is the tolerance of it.

It's also important to keep in mind that not all priests are pedophiles. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, was an altar boy. Was a blond hair, blue eyed, cute kid. I never once was approached. None of my friends were approached. We never knew anyone who was ever approached. That shouldn't be surprising. That should be the norm.

 

" I do think it was tolerated within the priesthood."

You are right. The pope himself confirmed the systematic molesting in church. And that it is known since decades.

So he and the others before him all lied, respectively kept the truth secret.

"Not all priests are pedophiles."

Might be. BUT they ALL knew this. Nobody can tell me that, especially after the first cases have been made public, that they didnt know.

They are all confidants. They are guilty of knowing and not acting against the priests, who did. They are guilty to have given them shelter.

And at the end every catholic in this world is a confidant too. One is confidant by paying taxes, by giving donations to these childfuckers. That they can live free in their palaces and keep on practising their harm.

It sounds a bit bigot to me, that there are people in this world, that believe in a big conspiracy against mankind (Covid, Weinstein and so on) , and want to see the responsibles rott in prison, but the church and its workers on the other hand shall be allowed to do what it wants.

Their conspiracy is obvious, it is proven, they already confessed. And the believers still have some excuses for them.

I have been raised protestantic, but I am an atheist.

I have witnessed molesting or the approach of molesting, when I have been on a trip with my priest.
He has been kicked out of his position after this.
I reacted with unconfession.

So it is not only a problem in the catholic church. It is widely spread (we also have had an own thread for this once, which Lucy has closed for unknown reasons) where we discussed this problem.

If you are a loving, honest and honorful person you should get out of the church.
Unconfess.

You can be christ without belonging to a permanently lying, illegal acting church and community.

Stop committing sins. Unconfess.

 

I don't disagree. We do not go to Catholic churches partly or this reason, partly because it generally lost relevance. We have a truly horrid culture and humans are horrid people. It is tolerated in our country (US) and elsewhere. We have a political class that enjoys the destruction of innocents. We have corporate execs from the largest corporations in the world who enjoy it. We even have government institutions that arrange this destruction so as to assert greater control. It is despicable. We have a legal system designed to protect pedophiles (if you have the right connections). Yes, you can be angry with the Catholic Church. I'm angry with the US government and the "elites".

 

Sure, but the difference is two fold. Elites are supposed to be "better" than the rest. They believe they are better than the rest. Same way that priests are supposed to be better than the congregation. They, after all, are supposed to lead and teach. The other issue is that Elites, and those in power are protected. The rest of us aren't. If we are caught, we get punished. If they are caught, it get's swept under the rug. After all, they are "better" than us. They deserve a pass. Actually, no, they don't deserve a pass. They need to be exposed, ridiculed, stripped of their power and wealth. How are we to live more righteous lives, when the folks who we are supposed to look up to are worse than us? Why should I be forced to listen to a politician that we all know exploited young girls, pontificate about how we need to conserve more, or be taxed more. Why should a guy who exploited girls get money everytime I buy certain software? If I did the same, I'd be in some jail making deals with others so they wouldn't beat me up as they're fucking me. So sure, it's a human condition. But leaders have to be held to a higher standard, and need to be punished severely. And under no circumstance should our government set up systems where we provide the candy.

 

Wait, what? We shouldn’t look up to priests or the pope…
A refreshingly honest assessment.

 

To respect their guidance, no?

 

What about kings?

What about the king of kings?

 

How do you know?

 

Does your god have the power to change it's mind, therefore changing the rules?

 

Shouldn’t look up to him though

 

I don't know man. Role models are important. The fact that we're discussing here the lack of people to look up to is a sign of the collapse of our culture. Shit, I'm not perfect, but my son looks up to me. And he should. I don't have to be perfect. But I am an example of someone who is faithful, loyal, honest, hard working, loving, caring, etc. etc. I don't play with teenage girls, or boys for that matter and never had (unfortunately, even when I was a teenager). i don't rob banks, I rarely lie and when I do, I will confess. the fact that we can't look up to a priest or minister, a teacher, a president, is pitiful. Say what you will about your belief in God, and Jesus, but Jesus is someone you can look up to. Even if you don't believe in him, and even if you believe bad people used his name to do bad things, this is a guy who cared for others, did not strive to become wealthy off of them, and sacrificed his life for his beliefs. There are many people who went to war, believing they were doing good, and gave their own sacrifice. Those are people you can look up to. I look up to my father, who worked his life hard to provide for my mother and brothers and never complained, or yelled. If you don't have folks you look up to, then pity you.